22
2009
Sun
WBW 40: A Tip Society will Never Give: Question Everything to Find Your Passion part 1 of 2
Submitted by JDPumped tags: video, passion, practical
Most of who we are is very much shaped by the environment we grew up in – and most of the time this was not a choice. Growing up in such an environment or society, we often adhere and conform to standards and just follow them. If this is the case, how are we as individuals to find, or even pursue, our passion in life? In this episode, part one of two, Louie Montalbo elaborates on the kinds of influences society has on us and shares his tips and advice on how to break out of this conformity and listen to our internal voice and rediscover our passion.
Who is Louie Montalbo?
After graduating from the Ateneo with a degree of Philophy in 1983. Louie pursued his Masters in Philosophy and then went on to work in the President’s Committee on the Bases. After this, he went on to work at the Dept of Health, ChristoffelBlindenmission Change Consultants and Leaders for Health Program and did a lot of consulting work at the time involving major companies and instututions such as PLDT, ABS-CBN, Toyota, World Bank, USAID, the new Medical City Hospital.
As of the moment, he is part of the faculty at the Ateneo Graduate School of Business and Ateneo School of Medicine and Public Health, passing on his knowledge and wisdom to the next generation of leaders.
Show notes:
How can you find your passion?
- It seems like there is no formula to it
- There are some people who are lucky that they know what their passion is early in life but I think a greater majority don’t because we are not taught to discover our passion
- Because society in general has a way of killing one’s passion. I think we are taught more to conform than to break out into something that we really want to do
- We excuse ourselves in terms of security, financial viability, because its what my parents want me to do, I can’t do that, we imbibe that
- Even if we are passionate by nature when we were young and we were kids (kids are by nature passionate) we think society rules, church, family has a way of dampening that and its so difficult for many people to rediscover that passion
- What do you want to be when you grow up? That’s already an indication, not the exact profession. (e.g. doctor – you might like talking to people. So your passion is talking to people)
- A student of his was talking about his vision and mission and he was very disturbed that he couldn’t define his vision and mission because he never allowed himself to listen to his internal voice.
- How can you discover your passion or your mission in life if you haven’t allowed yourself to listen to your internal voice for one reason or another?
- Learn to listen to oneself, one’s internal voice. That’s where the stirrings of one’s passion comes from. Listening to your heart and listening to your gut. Those are very important. All the rest can be seen as techniques.
- He attended a conference in the US. One of the topics was rediscovering your voice. One’s voice is something that is unique. One person’s voice is completely different from anyone else’s. But we grew up in a society where the rules, conformity muffles our voice. And part of what we need to do, partly through Entrepbuff is to make people rediscover that voice.
- You are depriving the world of a truth that no one else can proclaim except you. If you aren’t able to let that truth out, it’s sad for the world that they were not able to hear that truth.
- We are not trained to do that. We are trained to listen and to obey. We have a hard time. So you end up leading a life where you follow the set pattern. You go to school, go to work, get a family, retire. Nothing wrong with that, but for those are seeking for something more, and know that that particular lifestyle is not enough, how do they rediscover that ability to break away from that? By the time you get a family, all the constraints will prevent you from doing so.
When did you feel the greatest pressure to conform and how did you surpass it?
- One time his mom told him “Seldom do I understand your decisions in life”. That’s already an indication of how his choices in life were.
- For him, he was a late bloomer. It took him some time as well. He became a Jesuit, took law school for two years, tried different jobs – it took him awhile to find our what his passion is. It really is something to do with teaching, being able to share what he knows to others – the core of his passion is that
- Anything that he does has to do has to have that dimension of being able to impart knowledge and provide insights to other people. For him, if he does that well, he learns himself. So as he provides and helps other people gain more insight, in the process, he learns as well. A virtuous cycle takes place.
- It took him a long time to do that. He thought his passion was social development. Those were included as well, making a difference but in another fashion.
- So how did he know that it was finally his passion? He was good at it. It is hard to be passionate in something if you aren’t good at it. If you are passionate in something, at a certain point you become good at that.
- If you see that you become good at that, and you are able to affect other people, it feeds into your confirmation that this is your passion.
- If you passion is basketball, but you don’t play well, that’s hard.
- One of his students loved playing basketball back in college. But he got injured and couldn’t play basketball anymore. He liked the feeling of making people happy when they watch him play. He told his student to tap into that, not the basketball. Its not the what, it’s the why that sometimes is important as far as passion is concerned.
How do you define passion?
- It’s a disposition
- Passion in tagalog is “libog”. When you get “libog” or passionate about something, your blood rushes. It animates your life beyond what you’re doing.
- The core of “libog” is the part of our body that is reproductive. That’s where our creative center comes from as well. It should be life giving. If its not life giving to you and to others, it cannot be your passion.
- If it is only life giving to you, it is possibly only compulsion
What is the difference between passion and compulsion?
- Compulsion is something you have to do because you are driven by it. There is compulsion to please others or to deliver results and output and outcomes and you are restless until you do that
- Passion is a more quiet disposition. It does not necessarily have to be frantic. It can be quiet and yet you can be passionate about it.
- If you are driven by compulsion, it is driven by something external. When talking about passion, it comes from someplace deeper within you.
- If its life giving to you and to others, that’s probably passion.
What do you think of the notion of “being practical”?
- Understandable when people say that you have to be practical because you have to earn a living, you have to take care of financial obligations, kids, college.
- It's easy to talk about all of these things, but if your kids can’t eat, you can’t send them to Ateneo, then that becomes an imperative as far as you are concerned.
- The only problem is, if you chose something, and you know that you are giving up something else because of that, then that becomes your call. The problem is people sometimes don’t understand the consequence or the cost of that decision. He keeps telling his students that we don’t bequeath money to our kids. The way we live our life is also something that our children observe. Do we want our kids to model us in terms of – to live a life without passion, to live a life of conformity, or do we want them to pursue something that they are going to be happy with?
- One of his students said that the more security you pursue, the more trapped you become because at a certain point what you are pursuing is just security. And the question is “does it really make you feel secure?”
- Then you move from one paycheck to the next, one promotion to the next, and you’re always afraid of someone else being better than you but you are doing that so you will feel secured but is that really happening?
- So the question is, are you pursuing the right thing to make you feel secure or not?There are some people who are able to live with less and yet are more secure. There has to be something there. We are possibly being taught to pursue something that might be wrong.
- One of his friends mentioned that he could buy a low end car such a Toyota Vios, but instead of a Vios, get a Ford Escape or an SUV type car. Who told us that those things are the ones that will make us feel secure? Is that something that is required for our own security? And if it is, then one would an SUV make you feel more secure than a Vios? Is that how it works?
- It,s not as if he knows the answers, but what is important is to ask and to challenge and you might arrive at the same conclusion that possibly an SUV will make you feel more secure but at least you went through the process of asking those questions.
- Sometimes what we do is we conform and we don’t challenge the paradigms that we are being made to accept. We just move from one minute to the next not understanding what it all means.
For part 2 of 2, click here.
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- WBW 41: The Secret in Making Your Customers Happy is to Make Yourself Happy First part 2 of 2
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Most of us grew in an environment wherein we are forced to comlpy with the norms of society. And no matter how well we abide, people will always have something to say. I honestly agree, better follow your dreams than to live the dreams of others. We all deserve to be happy. And, isn't it what we are here for in the first place? To pursue authentic happiness? At the end of the day what matters is we have no regrets in living our lives. To do so requires following our passion. It's a wasted life otherwise.
14
2010
Sun
You can never please everybody, as the old saying goes. Trying to please everybody is a key to failure. You won’t have strong beliefs since you try to be “acceptable” to everyone which is impossible to achieve. Listen to yourself first and know what you really want in life. And I agree with what Steve said that at the end of the day, what matters is we have no regrets.
15
2010
Mon
I think for this particular topic one major issue arose and that is whether or not we have to comply with our passion? Its practically a battle between passion vs. pragmatism. I cant blame the majority on how they embrace all the things they see (sociologically driven) since most of them are trained to think that for you to get a sum of 2 you just have to add 1 + 1 which in this particular case we can also get a sum of 2 if we add 2 + 0. What I m trying to tell here is that people conform to a pattern to provide them with a direction. A direction that has a tested result and has a low risk of failure. I think the reasoning were we sacrifice our passion just to pave the way to pragmatism is really OLD SCHOOL. I believe that the majority are just simply not being creative enough (or worst afraid) to identify a new direction which will provide them with the same result.
15
2010
Mon
What do the other students say?
15
2010
Mon
This article reminds me so much of my Ate. She is a nurse/lawyer who opted to give up everything to pursue her passion in life -- helping others. She resigned from her job and joined JVP (Jesuit Volunteers of the Philippines). She is now in Mindoro serving as legal assistant to the Mangyan mission. We had a hard time accepting her decision not because we don't believe in her cause but because we were afraid for her and her future. How can she provide for herself now that she doesn't have a job? Will she be safe in Mindoro living among people she hardly know? It's been almost a year since she left the comforts of our home. In the rare times that we see her, I can't help but notice how happy and contented she is. She may not be financially well-off, but she's living the life that she wants. I don't know if I am living the life that I want. To be honest, I just want to be a farmer and grow plants. I get this sense of peace just tending to plants. This dream was overtaken by so many events and decisions in my life. I cannot just quit my job now because I have to pay amortization for my house and car and I have to finish my MBA. I hope and I pray that I'll have half of my sister's guts to let go of all the things perceived by society as sign of success and pursue my real passion in life.
16
2010
Tue
Passion is the energy that comes from bringing more of you into what you do. One may have many opportunities and chances in life but he will always end up with the things that will truly make him happy. When passion comes in , the monetary considerations, rewards, and tangible opportunities will all surely be overruled.
16
2010
Tue
All good points. I would also like to add that most people succumb to their "fate" because only a rare few makes that extra step forward. More often than not, people just accept the status quo or justify their lack of action because of their "responsibilities". This should not be an excuse. But then again, all are easier said than done. I guess another point would be that real passionate people have courage as a common trait. They don't care if other poeple don't believe in their dreams, or if other people think they won't succeed, what matters to them is that they believe in their own vision and will find fulfillment in doing so
16
2010
Tue
They say passion makes impossible possible. As human beings when we are zeal into something, impossibilities disappear. If a person has weak desires it will bring weak results but if the desire is stronger, the greater the potential. So, it is important while still young, we have to discover what we want in life and find ways to make this happen. If we follow our passion, the more we become dedicated and productive which will increase our ability to influence others. Passion is also contagious. Let people with passion infect you as you get along with them in school, church, community and workplace because we will learn many things from them.
16
2010
Tue
Well I believe that people succeed when they do what they love to do. That's passion, you can do what ever work or profession that you want but at the end of the day the thing that you have passion for what makes you really happy. Someone is lucky if their passion is their work that makes a win win situation i think. I mean you are working and at the same time you enjoy the work since its your true passion. I also think that passion to something is also one way to relieve stress and be relived from every days work.
16
2010
Tue
Whenever you are faced with tough decisions, you are forced to take it even though you really dont like it. Like the time when my bestfriend applied in a call center, she does not really like working during night time, but it forced her to work there because her family needs the money. She has two more brothers to feed and put up to college. In truth, all she wanted was to work on a 8-5 law firm. She knew she has a passion on that because she is good at it. Sometimes our passions are clouded with needs. What we do now becomes compulsions, more like we are forced because of the situation and that does not really make us complete/content.
16
2010
Tue
Hats off to your Ate, Charina! Only a few courageously rises to the occasion, breaks the norms and live out his/her passion. At the pursuit of passion, one might struggle and sacrifice a lot. But ironically since it was one's passion that is being fulfilled, the challenges throughout the journey sometimes fuel more one’s determination to continue and push through. Though at times goals are not achieved, at the end of the day, all the hardships are still worth it because of the satisfaction it gives.
16
2010
Tue
I sincerely commend your sister Charina. Her courage to stand amidst "our" identified repercussions simply proves that she already identified her niche. I think the greatest challenge in this journey is finding the right button which can ignite us for the rest of our lives to do what we are passionate about . I'm not sure if everyone would agree with me about the existence of a "false passion", wherein we thought that we already found it but when we realize that we don't we will just continue simply because of our fear to start again. I believe that we should all be encouraged to do things for the right reason regardless if its for a false or a true passion. Our reasons, would serve as our reference or justification in times of personal doubt and regrets.
16
2010
Tue
I like that point of "false passion". Is there such a thing as a false passion? Can we be misled by a passion? Or does our passion change over time, and it's really when we keep on pursuing an old one even if we're not passionate about it that it becomes a "false" passion? Hmmm.
16
2010
Tue
I think that it is inevitable to be influenced by society. That is how life works. And in living with others there are things that we sacrifice in the name of harmonious living. I think that at its pinnacle, this sacrifice is called love. Of course there are qualifiers as to what will constitute acts of genuine love, but the fact remains that part of ourselves are demoted on the priority list in favor of another. The problem arises, however, if the relationship becomes one-sided. There should be a celebration of individuality, not a merging of identities. The same goes for society. We are in a society to further each other, not to create uniformity. As social beings, we fully become ourselves as we are immersed in the presence of the Other. There is a danger, however, of confusing our identities. Our inner voices get drowned out by society's.
16
2010
Tue
We must also be careful as we cannot fully eliminate our responsibilities to society. Though we have to be careful that it does not overwhelm us, but tending to ourselves also has a tendency towards isolation. We are not the only people in this world. Balance must be sought, for if we tend to lean towards particular sides of the scale, it would not result to genuine happiness. I think that is what Aristotle is ultimately saying when talking about virtues. That it is a lifetime pursuit of balance, a balance that shifts every situation, a balance that eventually leads to true happiness.
16
2010
Tue
Passion is something that drives and fuels ones action and motivation. Without passion, it will be very difficult for a person to do things beyond that what is called for. When we do things with all our mind, body and soul are put into it, it is then that we can truly say that we are passionate on what we are doing at that time. While I appreciate on what others are saying about passion but I don't really believe that by doing things differently than what is expected from us defines passion. Or by pursuing things that we really want in life equally defines our being passionate. Perhaps we do those things just to prove some point? For me passion is really the degree of how our being is presently involve in whatever we are doing right now, it is how much we are into it. And the way we develop our "being passionate" on things, is if we do it beyond our own needs,or when we start doing it for others, or for deeper purpose, it is only then that we can truly develop our "being passionate". If involve ourselves in something bigger than ourselves and I bet you we can develop deeper meaning and purpose in our life, consequently gives us passion on everything that we plan to do or already doing right now.
16
2010
Tue
@Jared - Respectfully, I don't particularly agree with some of your points, as shared by some people as well. 1) The opinion that Pragmatism is totally opposite and different from Passion. That somehow, when you pursue your passion, you have to be poor and needy, at the same time when pursuing big money, you have to be without "heart". I think that more than ever, this is the time where individualism reigns over collectivist ideals. To follow your own "voice" is to be passionate, to be yourself, which so many people have already followed and amassed great wealth. Steve Jobs, Dado Banatao, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Robin Li are only some of the wealthiest men alive yet I cannot question the extent of their passion, of following their dreams. It is exactly their individualist ideals that propelled them on top of the food chain, leaving followers to constantly argue about which is better, pragmatism or passion? I think both are usually in tandem, especially in a world where to be "normal" is to be forgotten. Here is a video on TED to elaborate my point: http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html
16
2010
Tue
Second point I don't agree with is the use of the word sacrifice and love in the same sentence. Sacrifice is a counter-ideal to love. Sacrifice, in the strict sense is taking the less against the more. When a mother - of which her child is her greatest value - feeds his child the only bread she has to eat for the day, that is not sacrifice, it is love. If she eats it on her own without a proper thought of direction or plan, then that is sacrifice for she forgot her greatest value. When you do something for love, you don't do it to lose something, you do something for love to gain from it. You do an act for love because you want to do it and not because you have to. Quoting from Kant, "Duty is constraint; it is sadness, whereas love is joyous spontaneity. What one does from constraint does not come about from love; the converse is also true: what one does out of love one does not do from constraint or out of duty."
16
2010
Tue
3rd and last point is, to be an individualist, or to pursue your passion, does not mean isolating yourself from others, It means to simply be true to yourself. I believe a world where there are more individualist, things will definitely be "better", as encouraging diversity promotes less conflicts and better harmony. It disenfranchises fighting for a scrap of bread, when other love eating noodles anyway. You're quote on Aristotle, I think, is not suited in a world where "balance" means "suffer half of your life and love the other half of it", I think it is better suited for a world where we have a great tango dancer and another great salsa dancer and both of them teach each other what beauty both of them can produce together. In that case, I see it more harmonious and more beautiful. What do you think on my opinions?
17
2010
Wed
Indeed, blessed are those who at early age discovered their real passion in life and were able to start to follow it. Being able to follow it by means of economic capacity and support by people within the inner circle (family) of the person's life. A person who is able to follow his or her passion in life is contended and armed with clear direction. But most of us were used to suppress ourselves to conform with what our parents demands and expect from us. Other reason would be the practicality of life that we do what is necessary first and when the time comes when we have the capacity to follow our passion we start to rediscover life and ourself. Its better late or never. We will never conclude that life is good until we realized that we followed our real passion in life.
17
2010
Wed
Society in general demands conformity. Sometimes it is disheartening that even our parents dictates our path in life. We follow standards of the society just to get accepted. As we grow old we tend to exhibit behaviors that represents the tip of our longings - our real passion. We like arts because we love combining colors and create images out of them.. But we were told to pursue a more practical path and out of necessity we ignore and suppress our passion. In our own little way we somehow keep fragments of our passion hoping that someday we will have the chance to follow it. Only when we reach the right age and economic status we get the chance to revisit ourselves and with all gladness start to live by following our passion. We don't live in a fairytale land wherein everything is possible. We live in a third world country and practicality is the only means to survive in life. With this society will never suggest or support radical thinking. Unless you born with a lot of wealth and in an environment of open-minded people, you too will follow and conform what society dictates.
17
2010
Wed
When you are passionate about something, you never get tired of it. Even though one faces disappointments and failures at the end of the day you would still like to do it. It like falling in love, having a heart break, but never giving up. Life doesn't have to be perfect as long as we are happy and it is meaningful for us. Imagine what a waste, if we are living this one chance of a lifetime but not really living it fully? "Life is what happens while we are waiting for it to be perfect enough to live it"-Marian Keyes
17
2010
Wed
@Ken: Firstly, I am usually careful about labeling things black and white, so if I gave the impression that pragmatism is the polar opposite of passion, which I did not explicitly mention, then I apologize. The point that I am trying to drive at is that we are inevitably influenced by society as we live in it. There surely are compromises to be made to ensure harmonious living. For example, the law gives us a form of protection that ensures our right to property. We, in turn abide by it, and waive our freedom to take from someone else.I do not remember saying anything that pits passion against being pragmatic. If I did imply it in some way, I apologize. That is not my intention.
17
2010
Wed
Secondly, we have different opinions on the word sacrifice. In its most neutral, sacrifice is a resolution in a conflict of values. It is giving up one value for another. For me, however, sacrifice is the giving up of something good for something better. Given your example of the mother, she actually gave up something good, which is acquiring nourishment, for something she holds in higher regard, which is the welfare of her child. I believe this trait, this courage to face up to the consequences of losing something good for the sake of a perceived higher value, is what make heroes. They give up their time, their talents, and at times even their very lives, in the name of what they believe is a higher cause. I guess our difference in opinion boiled down to the way we define the word sacrifice. To me, it is necessary to love. Love is finding happiness in the Other, and in order to achieve that, there are sacrifices to be made
17
2010
Wed
Lastly, I have never made absolutizing statements about being an individualist will mean isolation. It is not an automatic result but there can be tendencies. And here is where the Aristotelian balance comes in, at least, the one I was taught. Aristotle did not mean a mathematical split when he meant balance. When he spoke of virtue in the Nicomachean ethics, he spoke of finding the right "level" of the exercise of virtue. It was never a mathematical mean. It is a balance that takes into consideration the situation, and apply the corresponding virtue as the situation demands. The mean is not written in stone. It is dynamic as the human experience is dynamic. The thing with Aristotle is that he is not really prescribing a strict code to follow in order to gain true happiness. Ultimately, he gave guidelines that if practiced, will help in recognizing how to practice a virtue should the situation demand it. For different situations will demand the practice of virtue differently. And this is the balance that we need to strike in being individualistic, and conforming to society. There are times that we need to choose between the two. And there is no prescribed formula which will guarantee success. Ultimately it is much like trial and error. It will be debilitating, then, if we remain fearful of error as we deprive ourselves of learning this way.
17
2010
Wed
@Andrei: I disagree with what you said regarding finding purpose in involving ourselves in something bigger than ourselves. Truth be told, it also has a tendency to crush you. I know, because I have been there. Also, passion is something that emanates from within, it is the outer that resonates with the inner, which is why I think it takes some time for others to find their passion. Involvement certainly does not equate to passion. It can be an indicator, but it does not necessarily follow. I am really involved in our family business. I do it because I intend to protect those who are dear to me. But I will be the first to tell you it is not my passion. But if you take a look at my schedule, the way I wake up early in the morning and go home late, the extra effort I place in taking an MBA for it I doubt there is much room to question my involvement. If you ask me am I passionate about it, I give you a resounding "no". And believe me, I am not the only one going through this kind of situation. Passion truly emanates from within. It really is doing what you want. Whatever side reasons one might have with it, as long as it is firstly done because one really wants to do it, then it is passion. It is a manifestation of one's inner self, a resonating of this voice with the rest of the world.
17
2010
Wed
sorry, I meant to say "resonating of the inner voice with the outside world." My apologies if I sounded antagonistic. No intentions here, just sounding my opinions. I know that there will be those who will disagree and I respect the opinion of others. Thank you for letting me voice out mine.
17
2010
Wed
@Jared - apologies as I may have interpreted what you wanted to say in the context of reading the other comments, especially regarding volunteering for JVP. As it is noble in its own right and an example of pursuing one's passion, it is only one of many other stories. Some pursued their passions and actually became huge industrialists that have changed the world. I know of a doctor who turned his back on the medical world to pursue the arts, finding himself selling his paintings for P100,000 a piece and thus landing him a property in Bulacan, which he uses to farm and sell his produce to some well-established restaurants - farming was also one of his dreams by the way :) I think what threw me off was your statement "the fact remains that part of ourselves are demoted on the priority list in favor of another", as if to suggest sacrificing yourself for the "harmony", which in some standards simply mean non-innovation. Regarding sacrifice, agreed then. I used Ayn Rand's definition which I think made all the fuss of us not meeting heads. As also a philosophy enthusiast myself, I would tend to believe that being yourself is actually the mean Aristotle was talking about. To pursue one's genuine passion inevitable creates greater value for the whole, which is by far different from staying in a 9-5 job simply because it's "practical" knowing you're becoming just like everybody else, and also different from the bum who stays in his house doing what he loves to do in the interest of entertaining himself 24x7 while his parents are the one's paying for his food and lodging. With your further explanation, I got what you were saying. Great stuff!
17
2010
Wed
@Andrei and Jared - I must agree with Jared on this one. "Being passionate" and "passion" are two very different things. As the word "being" in "being passionate" implies, it sort of comes off as being contriving. As if you have to force yourself to suggest your being enthusiastic. Which is not what passion is all about. Jared working for the family business is definitely a great definition of what "being passionate" may mean. An example of passion is when a stock trader friend of mine sees a multitude of numbers and graphs and I find his eyes mesmerized in an unbreakable gaze. He doesn't break his concentration so much so as to even pee and all sense of time disappears. Math has always been his first love and has always been his definition of his life's value, making money with it was just cherry on top of his ice cream.
18
2010
Thu
@Ken: I think this is a wonderful example of diversity. I never really thought "harmony" can have a different connotation. Yes, it can be damaging to sacrifice oneself in the name of compromise. I know. I have been there. And I will readily agree with you there. I'm sorry if I seemed antagonistic, I think you may have figured it out, but philosophy is my passion. I am a Philosophy major who was bound for a career in law, but ended up being involved with the family business, hence the MBA. Thanks for the feedback, very much appreciated. I really believe that it is in the weaving of narratives that the true depth of life is revealed (yeah, Paul Ricoeur). Thanks again






13
2010
Sat